Well, Heath, I couldn't disagree more. There was actually a sharp engineer that chimed in in the comments, and tried to explain why this was the case. That might not sound like a lot, but it is noticeable. The numbers in bold indicate the top performer for each cartridge. It wasn’t a big deal, but if you caught some of that in your eye it might be. Personality [edit | edit source] It can't be bargained with. Let me know. Here is another look at that same data: The impulse (area under the curve) is 4.4 lbf•s on the 6.5 Creedmoor, and 4.6 on the 308. Get a brake with some top porting. The heat map below shows the average % reduction for each muzzle brake and rifle tested. The Terminator figurine Ultimate Future RoboCop NECA. It’s controlled, but there could be more than a bullet and gas that comes out of the barrel. Has anyone tried the Dead Air Armament 7.62mm Key Mount Muzzle Brake on a 6.5 creedmoor? Just trying to present the data to help fellow long-range shooters make more informed decisions. Muzzle Brakes: Recoil Reduction Results Summary, Vote For The Best 6.5 Creedmoor Match Ammo, Bullet Jump Research: Executive Summary & Load Development Tips. I wish I had the numbers on it. That does make sense. I know there are a ton of sharp engineers that read this, so maybe someone else will chime in. The TF Terminator muzzle brake is KG Gunkoted Black & opened out as standard to take a maximum calibre of the .338 Lapua Magnum. This post provides a comprehensive view of the muzzle brake recoil reduction data gathered on all 4 rifles. A good muzzle brake should instead redirect the gas either from the side or the top of the brake, thus preventing it from blowing back towards the shooter. David believes this is the most important aspect of muzzle brake, and much more important than recoil reduction. I am asking for opinions on which adjustable trans. Yes sir. No sir, we uncovered that we were likely hit by a piece of carbon that had built-up on the brake (like it does on all brakes), and eventually blew off (like it will eventually do on all brakes). Sorry if that was more confusing than helpful. You can see how the Beast performs next to most of the brakes mentioned and for my money there is nothing better out there right now, it matches the best in recoil reduction but the unique port design puts it over the top! I realize that probably isn’t what you want to hear, but unless you are buying me a rail gun … I’m not testing accuracy. I would rather not publish results on something, rather than publish results that could be misleading. For more info, check out. I've been using the SUREFIRE MB in 5.56 & 7.62. It penetrated 2 shirts and caused a wound deep enough to see flesh.”. © Copyright 2021 PrecisionRifleBlog.com, All Rights Reserved. Don't see a lot of mention of JP's Recoil Eliminator aka tank brake. (Just kidding here … that smart guy was actually Adith. The momentum is always directly proportional to the momentum of the bullet plus the expanding gases. They did a pretty decent job scientifically measuring recoil reduction on a bunch of muzzle brakes. And great question! It finished about the same as the ability to stay on target … usually towards the tail end of the pack. From what I can see, the APA and Alamo Four Star brakes appear to be a similar design to the Terminator. Momentum is just mass times velocity. It would seem to me that the US brake manufacturers didn’t want the competition;). Sep 7, 2018 #66 Scott's brake is VERY nice, and I have or have had most of the brakes mentioned. The percentage shown is the average of the reduction in overall momentum and the reduction in peak force. I didn’t test accuracy with the brakes, because I couldn’t think of an objective way to do that. Beauty and the Beast vs. Your a very brilliant young man, keep up the great work! A TT Terminator Muzzle Brake on a Gen II 6 5 Creedmoor Ruger Precision Rifle compared to the factory brake, shooting Hornady 143 ELDX at 2700 fps. Secondly, there is a difference. It sounds like an interesting idea. So that is another thing to keep in mind. For a 6 Creedmoor, should be more about reducing muzzle rise so you can spot your own shots, vs. recoil reduction which isnt needed much for a this chambering. The benefits of a break is clear but unfortunately using one in a match (non-PRS) sometimes brings on the ire of some of the other shooters, especially F-class shooters who cannot use a break and so is not used to them. Pulling out the set square shows that yes, it’s not 45degrees and a bit more than 30degrees, so 34degrees makes sense. Terminator X EFI; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. Terminator Salvation (2009) Terminator Salvation's most admirable virtue is that it broke the mold of the first three films and tried to tell a different kind of story. Field Tests & Studies, Reviews & Field Tests, Suppressors & Muzzle Brakes But, out of all the brake manufacturers I’ve talked to (more than what’s represented here), there was only one doing that kind of computational modeling to aid in design. I have a few ideas myself after handling all these brakes. Works very well, easy to install. If you are looking on buying guides for other 6.5 Creedmoor parts, click here for our bolt carrier group round-up. If you’re not a benchrest guy, you likely wouldn’t notice any impact these muzzle brakes would have on accuracy. 8 y/o. Bead Blasted SS. Expédié sous 2 à 3 jours ouvrés. But, I may consider testing it in the future. Reactions: kingston. Think about how much copper comes off the jackets, and how much carbon you have to clean out of the barrel. I know muzzle brakes are taboo or even banned in some competitions … that is tough, but I understand it. Those scenarios are really difficult to predict/calculate, so most recoil calculations are based on a much simpler scenario that ignores collisions, and that simpler scenario is called free recoil. and it self times on. Nothing on any sled test can beat it. One of the tips Greg gave me was if you want to really push a muzzle brake, test it on a big magnum pushing heavy bullets. Personally, I’d be afraid it’s snake oil … but it certainly might not be. MovieMelee. Very good analysis Jim. Thanks for the kind words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=327beJrl5vU. Thanks for the hard work. Think of them as the Schmidt & Bender of muzzle brakes. The sound test should give us insight into the pressure difference at the shooter’s position for each brake, so stay tuned for that. Etc. I believe there are only 2 outside the top 5 that have angled baffles, the tiny TBAC Compact Brake and the smaller version of the Holland Radial Quick Discharge Muzzle Brake. I don't think you mentioned caliber of rifle which makes a lot of difference in what brake you might want to consider. 25mm Diameter, 69mm long, Weighs 90-115 grams; 308WIN, 7mm REM Mag, 338LM; All brakes have flats for a spanner and so they can be easily fitted by the gunsmith. Great writeup as always ! Have a T-4 on my 338LM Improved, the recoil reduction is amazing, much better than any of the fat or little bastard brakes. But, that’s why I actually run the tests and don’t just talk about this stuff! T1 Terminator muzzle brake is designed for .223 to 300 Winchester Magnums on barrels up to 17mm diameter The T1 dimensions are, 17.2mm, 0.677” diameter, 50mm, 1.96” long, 35-40 grams, 1.23-1.41 ozs The T1 standard threads are, 7/16 x 28 for Kimbers, M13 x 0.75 & M13 x 1.25 for Brownings & ½ x 28 […] Fabricant: NECA. It can't be reasoned with. Terminator muzzle brakes are the most effective muzzle brake on the planet. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. I have read the articles on the precision shooter blog site but nowhere did I see any tests done with the terminator. Silver $$ Contributor. My 338 LM has the standard MPA brake and recoil is not heinous with it but less would be fine. I did test other rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor and 308, and while the % of recoil reduction for the muzzle brakes were very similar within the same cartridge … the recoil signatures seemed to vary based on the stock. So I’m not sure what the impact would be. The Terminator design does look really similar to the APA, but I’m hesitant with 45 degree baffles. The following data indicates estimated felt-recoil reduction after the installation of our Muzzle Brake : Caliber : Felt-Recoil After Installation.460 Wby. I believe it’s a serious safety issue, but you don’t have to believe that. “a prototype of a muzzle brake with 45° baffles back toward the shooter .. a friend …caught some shrapnel in his side. I guess we need more data to really find out! One thing interesting to note, that isn’t apparent in the photos, is that the top 5 performers all have angled baffles (i.e. Best For 308: Aero Precision - Lambda Prs65 Precision Muzzle Brake 6.5. They were concerned as well, and haven’t release that prototype for sale. You must log in or register to reply here. I was a little disappointed to hear that the suppressor did very little to combat muzzle movement and now curious about felt recoil compared to a brake. So this really stumps me as I would think one would need some sort of Computation Fluid Dynamics software to get in right in the modelling stage, but I support lots of testing and empirical data can get you close. But, like I mentioned before … I bet we’re in the noise. Great info: Did you look at the bore diameter of the brake compared to the bullet diameter ? For me to be confident in accuracy results, I’d want to use a rail gun … and I don’t have one (yet). Stay tuned! A muzzle brakes rating is entirely based on its own performance. This allows you to see which designs are more effective when it comes to recoil reduction, and spot some common characteristics among the top performers. Mar 9, 2017 #3 Where do I sign up for a T-4 5 port Terminator for my 338LM Improved? ( 7.7 oz. Also, if you want to find out more about the different calibers, check out our comparisons of the 308 vs 30 06 and the 6 5 Creedmore vs 308 Winchester. I’m considering buying a Dead Air Sandman-S as my next suppressor, and they have an interesting brake design. I realize that doesn’t help your concern, but it is impressive. It seems unbelievable that the 6 Lbs 308 rifle recoils as much as the 14 lbs 6.5 creedmore, can someone explain that to me ? Update: The Alamo Four Star muzzle brake design was purchased by Masterpiece Arms, and is now sold as the MPA Cowl Induction Muzzle Brake. Or the T4. I don’t know that (wish I did) … but that is my hunch. Clearly something to keep in mind. The bullet weight went down on the 6.5 Creedmoor, but the velocity went up … so the net effect on momentum isn’t enormous. The very best recoil reduction, minimal flash, and faster follow up shots make for the most effective muzzle brake for your rifle; whether you're a hunter, hobbyist, or operator overseas. Best Sellers Chrome Shop Combo Items Electronics Engine Items Gift Certificates Practice Trees Racer Essentials Alpha D Steering Wheel Trans Brake Buttons & Cords Racer Essentials Safety & Racewear Shifting Throttle Controls Demos/Refurbs Weather Stations Web Specials. This video compares my brakes versus a T3 Terminator, a T-4 Terminator, a Little Bastard, and a Fat Bastard 6.5x47 Lapua Brake Testing Here is a test comparing several brakes on a … I've got two of them. … Jesse, I’m afraid I still don’t have an answer for you. I love The Terminator (actually prefer it to T2 in some ways) but this isn't close. David Tubb, one of the most accomplished rifle shooters in history, helped me develop this part of the field test. 18 cm avec accessoires, en emballage boîte-fenêtre. Mag. Although the saga has had notable ups and downs, the basic core story of killer cyborgs sent back in time to kill Sarah and John Connor has thrilled audiences worldwide for decades and has left … Surefire Procomp is a great break for the price, and performed quite well in the sled test as well. A guy at a recent match turned me on to the, Insite Arms Heathen. Has easy install. I’m out of ideas, any other explanation for 308 being weird? Thanks again for all your fantastic work!!! Cal: Ha! So I hope that helps put your questions to bed. ÉCLAIRAGE - Le magazine "Empire" a dévoilé la première image officielle de "Terminator 6". It sounds to me like you guys neglected to check your bore for obstructions…… You brought up a great point regarding the up-sides and down-sides of the rearward facing baffles and their increased concussion. +1 on the Terminator brakes. Great questions! Search for Witt Machine Mb1 Clampon Muzzle Brakes And X Terminator Muzzle Brake Witt Machine Mb1 Clampon Muzzle Brakes And X Terminator Muzzle Brake Ads Immediately . Will stay on and never fall out. Zero, and I mean ZERO muzzle jump with this brake! If you run the data for the lightweight 308 vs the 14 lb 6.5 Creedmoor, JBM says the free recoil impulse of the 6.5 Creedmoor would be 2.6 lbf•s, and the 308 would be 2.8 lbf•s. Like I said, I'd post it even if mine wasn't the best. Thinking ahead as usual! The heat map below shows the average % reduction for each muzzle brake and rifle tested. I came up with an overall rating for each brake, which is indicated in the last column above. I’m not sure I’ll ever be comfortable around a 45 degree brake personally, after seeing what happened to my buddy. This is because a muzzle brake is decreasing the amount of gases that the bullet has to fight through in the early part of it’s flight, because it sends a portion of that gas to the sides, instead of it all being forced to exit along the bullet path. To start, the material … When you drill into those individual results, you can see how the suppressor compared. So my guess is it may have been from a burr on the chamber or rifling. Cal Zant is the shooter/author behind PrecisionRifleBlog.com. Each pad material has pros and cons. I actually tested that. The only difference is the bullet. Reactions: calhunter805. I didn’t include the Terminator brake in this test, and it’s already in the books. There seems to be a strong correlation between the angle and overall rank. Sep 24, 2012 374 108 49 Texas. I look forward to your articles, very informative, very interesting as I shoot long range, so, I can’t wait to the next write up. It provided outstanding recoil reduction (better than anything shown here), but while testing that brake, a friend helping me with the tests caught some shrapnel in his side. The T4 Dimensions are, 1.14”, 29mm diameter, 3.54”, 90mm long, 6-6.5 oz, 170-185 grams Standard threads are 5/8 x 24, M18x1, ¾ … I’m obviously not trying to sell anything here, so you can take it or leave it. It comes as a kit with six springs of varying tension, plus spacers, weight washers, etc. I tested the effectiveness of having a caliber-specific brake on 4 very different muzzle brake designs that I had in all calibers: the APA Little B*, Holland 1.25” Radial QD Brake, Impact Precision Brake, and West Texas Ordnance Brake. It is actually a fairly violent period for a bullet. Im still curious why 308 is the only one to have such a discrepancy between the change in momentum and the change in peak force. It is a beast of a brake for your 50 BMG, 416 Barrett, Cheytac variant. I also thought about getting 3 shooters to shoot a few 10 shot groups with each brake, and average all the results … but I think you’d be “in the noise.” I doubt it would offer enough value to justify the cost of the match-grade ammo it would take to conduct the test. Thanks for chiming in, Jim. It doesn’t seem to be a stretch to think some of those kinds of particles may be blowing out the end of the barrel on every shot. I may have presented it in terms of energy or work, which you can derive from the force over time data. Some shooters would rather deal with the extra recoil than the increased concussion from that shock wave. I have a clamshell brake for a .50 and the bore starts out larger than .500 and steps down closer to .500 at each baffle. Good for you Cal! Cal, will you be testing this brake ? Based on the quality of those YouTube videos, it seems unlikely that those guys are more technologically advanced than the academic community. Bare muzzle, neutral port, or rearward port muzzle brake - all viable options. All I know is that you won’t see me using a 45 degree muzzle brake! One of our local benchrest ranges has put up removable barriers between benches for non-completion use. A Data-Driven Approach To Precision Rifles, Optics & Gear. Have a look at you tube for a recoil sled test by Terminator muzzle brakes from. When using ATC with a 10 shot group what would be an acce... Shootin’ Okie: Thanks, for replying. This approach films really well, and it’s simplicity is very engaging. A few people I know run his brakes, including myself and we’ve found his brakes more pleasant to shoot than other designs, even the designs with no sweep back. Here are all the Terminator movies ranked, worst to best. The only thing that comes close are the Beast brakes by Muzzle brakes & more. Just as (if not more) effective than the APA and Area 419 brakes, but less obnoxious on the shooter as the gas is directed perpendicular to the shooter. To each his own. If I was going to get a brake that needs to be time or needs a crush washer I'd get a brake from Ross Shuler. Glad you find the approach helpful. At a match back in March, I was sighting in with a few other guys and reached up to make sure my suppressor was on tight. Ultimately, it’s a violent explosion every time you fire a round. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I don’t want to present this as “right or wrong.” It’s up to each shooter to strike the right balance for their application. Thanks! . But I did the math (I couldn’t find a velocity for the 308 you fired so I assumed 2700) and found there to be no correlation between the % of the momentum that came from the bullet and the difference between % reduction momentum and % reduction of peak force. Danny1788 Well-Known Member. If money is a bit of an issue, but you have just enough for a budget model, then you’ll want to give the DPMS muzzle brake a closer look. All of the muzzle brakes are loud, but diverting gases rearward can increase the pressure shock wave at or near the shooter’s position. At first I thought he was joking, and then I thought we were going to the hospital! I only found an improvement of 1-3% if a brake was 6mm rather than 30 caliber (7.62mm). I just didn’t post any of that data (yet). As usual, a very useful review – keep up the great work! Thanks in advance . However, in the section on muzzle devices from Dr. Carlucci’s textbook, Ballistics: Theory and Design of Guns and Ammunition, he reminds us “Best design practice is to divert gases to the sides of the weapon, because rearward diversion could affect an exposed gun crew.” During my tests, a manufacturer sent me a prototype of a muzzle brake with 45° baffles back toward the shooter. The TS Terminator muzzle brake is KG Gunkoted Black & opened out as standard to take a maximum calibre size of .308. It didn’t appear to be a baffle strike. Its my favorite at the moment. Are these the top two self timing brakes or are there better options out there? The angle definitely isn’t the only thing that plays into recoil performance, but it’s clearly significant. Next question, please. The Terminator 1 comments. PX Member. That’s a bold statement. Good to know someone else could benefit from it! I actually tested both brake-mounted suppressors and direct-thread suppressors. It sure seems from your phenomenal graphics [ loved the alternating value, color coded and color shading effectiveness at conveying magnitude ] that the brakes with more and larger baffles were most effective. All I can say for sure is that is what was recorded, so that’s what I’m presenting. I explained those two aspects to recoil in more detail in the recoil post, including why some people believe one or the other to be more important. and decided to put all JB's on all my guns. After careful consideration, we have chosen the… Lancer Systems Viper Brake ….as our best overall choice. Just curious how effective this setup might be. What other brakes have you tried on your 338 LM Improved? Have a T-4 on my 338LM Improved, the recoil reduction is amazing, much better than any of the fat or little bastard brakes. They are machined from 304 Stainless Steel. Beauty and the Beast is the clear winner. Cheap and well made. Cal is a life-long learner, and loves to help others get into this sport he's so passionate about. Ultimately, it probably just isn’t good to through combustion exhaust back at that angle. Thanks for the details. I have one on my 338LM improved and the gun is a absolute pleasure to shoot. Eddie. It is a beast of a brake for your 50 BMG, 416 Barrett, Cheytac variant. I wouldn't use a muzzle brake on a child's rifle. A great example is the surprising data showing that caliber-specific brakes were only 1-3% more effective than a generic 30 caliber equivalent. There are a few to choose from. In other words, the Recoil Eliminator solves the problem not just the symptom. I’m only a pilot but this seems obvious …its the light weight of the .308. Greg’s brakes have beat out the APA brakes in testing….. Standard hole size 6mm, must be opened up to correct calibre by a Gunsmith. This is all theory, and I don’t have any hard data or slow-mo video to prove it … but it seems plausible. www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com. I plan to speak more towards this in a later post, but I’ll give a short explanation here. The 308 sent a 168gr bullet 2650 fps. Ah – Thanks I was ambiguous. The Just-N-Time button sold by Collector Tethers in Gallatin, TN, has far more adjustability than any I have seen. I guess you spend enough time behind a rifle and you see things like that. T7 Brake The T7 Terminator muzzle brake was designed by request for .416 Barrett to 50 BMG on barrels up to 50mm muzzle diameter. But, just because I don’t understand it doesn’t mean it won’t work! I'm thinking 3/4 thread . It’s essentially using clever a recoil sled setup, which is an intuitive way to quantify total momentum or impulse (which is simply the change in momentum). I have the Little Bastard brake on my 308 barrel and that works very well also. The objective is to reduce recoil and muzzle jump to see the bullet impacts. 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The 6.5 Creedmoor sent a 140gr bullet 2810 fps. I did record the noise level of each brake with a really high-end sound meter. Beauty and the Beast is (maybe) my favorite animated film. We were able to cut the recoil on a featherweight 308 Win to be much less than a hefty 6XC (roughly the same cartridge as a 243 Win). brake button is best and why you think it is the best. It works as well as the APA, MPA and similarly designed muzzle brakes. The only thing that comes close are the Beast brakes by Muzzle brakes & more. Apparently they ‘tune’ the brake to your load. .270 Winchester.338 Winchester Mag. That way, when the guy with the new 338LM and the enormous muzzle brake starts shooting next to you without the obligatory warning, you don’t end up with all your paperwork blown away and a raging headache. Jul 23, 2017 #2 Look up the Beast brake, phenomenal brake at a decent price! 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